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Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:28 am Posts: 558 Location: Derbyshire, UK
Thanks Sue for that link, hubby and I watched it last night, was really interesting. I enjoyed the clips from St.Nicholas Abbey and the Larry Warren interview. I honestly had never heard any of that before, was great to watch. Hope Steve's cd works for you Frankie, you'll have to borrow it after Sunnie
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 pm Posts: 1120 Location: Bristol County, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, USA
If lending it to Sunnie is the price I have to pay to see this show myself, I will be only too quick to hand deliver it in St. Philip [I believe that's where she said she lives].
not that far.. middle of St. George.. Close to Gun Hill.. I know it's a terrible drive from your lovely spot on the beach.. but you know.. you have to do, what you have to do...
Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:15 am Posts: 653 Location: OXON UK
If your around Frank,Ive been trying to put redlegs on disc most of tonight ,been on you tube ,trouble is ,I cant seem to get any of the free DRM (copy protection ) removal software to work,so can only get about 1 minutes worth on the disc.
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 pm Posts: 1120 Location: Bristol County, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, USA
Ok, let's not give up yet, I think you still have couple weeks before the file is no good. I will fish around the Internet to see if I can come up with anything. I am guessing you tried the Youtube link I suggested - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5OgiAXxFLo -
Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:15 am Posts: 653 Location: OXON UK
That was the one I tried Frank, it suggests you install software called ,fairuse4wm,but it wont install on mine for some reason.on the installation box you have to click ,recover keys.I get a box which says IBX components are not present,so it wont recover the keys for me to proceed with the installation. By the way have you spoken to SueW at all ,I take it she s having a good time .
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 pm Posts: 1120 Location: Bristol County, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, USA
Oops, looks like someone took down the videos already (pressure from the BBC perhaps?) - good thing I watched them twice earlier this morning. The major impact on me was a refection on my own ancestry. Although I am and consider myself as a black Bajan, I do know that poor whites and/or Red Legs figure very prominently in my own gene pool/family tree. Both of my grandmothers (maternal whom I knew and paternal whom I didn't know) were of very obvious white extraction, and my late dad told me that his uncle on his mother's side was one of those plantation bookkeeper/overseer types mentioned in the documentary. He actually worked at Blowers Plantation next to St. Thomas Church which is now part of the Portvale sugar complex. My younger brother who has the lightest complexion in the family was sometimes teased as a kid because of it. Ironically, when we moved to America he had the easiest time getting jobs and getting away with stuff for which his darker siblings (moi included) suffered. I also have a first cousin here in Barbados who looks like him and she tells funny stories about how in her workplace here she is still sent for when they have difficult white customers. Indeed, there is a lot more to Barbados than meets the eye.
Well I'm glad I got to watch it before they took them off. OH well.
I told Elvis (yes I'm married to an Elvis) about them this morning, but he hadn't tried to watch them. He has tried over the years to research his family tree, but it seems to stop in places. His parents actually lived "in the woods" as he called it, below Hagletons Cliff (as spoken about in the video) before moving to Newcastle. I think that Elvis may have been only one of maybe 3 children where were born after they moved to that house (that would have been maybe 50 odd years ago). His grandmother, Paternal I think, was a Norris, same name as one on the video. When his mother was born she should have been a Goddard (as in the John Goddard of the video) but was given the name Gibson (I've lost the reasoning for this, exept I think it may have been his grandmothers madien name rather than married name). There is, you can tell through the family, More I believe on his mothes side, some inter-rational relationships.
HI Uncle, mothers sisters husband, is still alive, early 80's I think. I would actually like to sit and talk to him soon to get his take on his history. or at least on the family history. Layne, Gibson, Shepherd, Norris, Goddard.. Fenty (as in Robyn, better known as Rihanna).. is in there as well somewhere but distant.
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:41 pm Posts: 1120 Location: Bristol County, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, USA
Another thing which fascinated me in the piece was the reference made to how the Scots/Irish connection has influenced Bajan cooking. I had already known of the British input into our popular Black Puddin 'n Souse but I knew nothing about influence on one of our Christmas dishes - Jug-Jug - which I mentioned here last Christmas. I believe it was Winston Gill, one of the old hands at St. Nicholas Abbey, who pointed out a connection between our Jug-Jug and Scottish Haggis. I had heard about Haggis before but seem to remember it being something you really didn't want to eat or were forced to eat. I think you also have to acquire a taste for Jug-Jug but Bajans have added local pigeon peas (plentiful around Christmas) and guinea corn which probably makes it more of a mash than a pudding.
Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:53 am Posts: 959 Location: Here and Holetown
I've just watched it from the original link given, it says you can watch it for one more day. Absolutely fascinating, and it features our beach at the beginning----------you can see our condos along the beach lol Also the restaurant he is in is Spagos on the beach at Settlers.
Challenor Jones the former Caribbean champion jockey, and well known trainer in Barbados, has always maintained to us, that the whites (of which he is one) suffered badly especially after the abolision of slavery but until I read the previous thread and saw this, I never realised this community still exsisted. I have many white Bajan friends whose families arrived in this way, but they have all prospered. I wish I could save the film.
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